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Old 07-14-2014, 02:51 AM
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NSW Skilled State Sponsorship "Sells Out" In Under 1 Hour

A quick note for those of you looking to apply for state sponsorship in NSW - based on the report of a client who applied today, the website opened for applications at approximately 9:30am local time, and in less than an hour had closed, with a message appearing that there was a "high number of applications" and that applications would be closed until further notice.

Given server error messages encountered due to (predictably) high demand, applicants looking to apply for NSW state sponsorship would be well advised to be ready to apply the moment the website opens for the next "intake" on 14 October. Hopefully next time around NSW will publicise the time that the website will officially start taking applications so people aren't left to guess as they were this time. Additionally, with NSW applications having already been closed for months, and now closed for another 3 months, there is bound to be a big backlog of people trying to apply.

On a personal note, I'm not sure this new system really represents the fairest way to do things. If NSW's goal is to get the best candidates, why not let everyone apply and then choose from all applicants - at least in this case, if someone wasn't lucky enough to get their application lodged in the minutes that the system accepted applications, they're out of luck until the next round, where the competition for "places" as everyone mercilessly beats on the NSW website trying to jam their application through in time is bound to be worse.

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It sounds like this new system would have a variety of challenges. For migration agents, if you have several clients wanting NSW sponsorship, how do you choose whose application to lodge first? Or are you to hire several administrative people who can simultaneously enter applications on your behalf before the system fills up? Heaven forbid someone call in sick or sleep through their alarm. Applicants from overseas must have to plan to be awake in the middle of the night to be able to lodge when the system opens.

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Good point, Maggie-May. Add to that the fact that NSW Skilled's computer servers are apparently not up to the task of handling the stress of thousands of people hammering on the site at once, and it's a recipe for trouble - the one who's "lucky enough" not to get the server error and breaks through the avalanche of people trying to apply is the one who gets to apply? That's hardly fair and is a big step towards a lottery. If they want to do a lottery (as some other countries do), fine - operate it reasonably and announce all details of the rules BEFORE things open so people can plan.

If they really want the "mob scene at the door" like they are trying to do, then they need to spend some of the $300,000 in application fees they apparently raised this morning on better servers and software that are up to the job, not to mention a clearly defined set of rules that announces, for instance, the time at which people can actually submit rather than just the date and letting everybody guess at what time the application entry period actually begins on that date.

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Surely this allocation must've taken by the backlog of applications they already had in processing? Either way this system has disaster written all over it.

Between the ridiculously long skills assessment processing times (including questionable criteria), and the state governments making it up as they go along with no thought of the consequences, we're going to see even more people spending thousands and then having the door shut in their face halfway through the process. Agents face the situation where they rightly give a client the 190 visa option, but due to circumstances outside of anyone's control the option closes.........Who do you think will be blamed in that circumstance!?

Of course they won't do it, but the DIBP need to be in control and introduce a standard policy/system for both the skills assessments and the state nominations. At the moment migration policies are being set by people with no understanding of the system as a whole.
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Excellent comments, Adam. The skills assessment and state sponsorship processes are being operated by people and departments without any oversight or coordination - every one makes up their own rules with no consideration of how those may affect other aspects of the application process. DIBP takes a hands-off approach, leaving rogue assessors to come up with wild requirements completely out of line with most other assessors.

The way I read the NSW situation, the 1,000 allocation that was open and closed today within an hour was for new applications, not those in the pipeline from earlier this year. But given the problems with server errors and the extremely short timeframe for lodging (under an hour until they closed it), it does not bode well for future rounds with NSW where the unmet demand from one round will roll over into the next, creating an even more difficult time trying to get "lucky" enough to get a chance to submit before the door slams shut again.

And as Adam pointed out, by the time they get to the state sponsorship application stage, they've likely already spent thousands on a skills assessment, IELTS, etc with no guarantee of even an opportunity to be considered for state sponsorship. More havoc and uncertainty for applicants - the human cost of which is difficult to calculate.

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It's immoral and an unnecessarily harsh way of operating. The "in Australia's best interest" has always been the DIBP's argument when people questioned the fairness of the system and I can understand that, but like you said, give people the rules before they apply! Skilled migration takes 6-12 months from start to finish on average and you can guarantee that either the assessing authority, State government or the DIBP will change something during that time.

You can imagine a system analyst starting the process last year, having ACS suddenly decide to deduct years of work experience for no logical reason so becomes short of points, starts applying for NSW state nomination and it gets suspended without warning for several months due to pro-rata processing, goes back to NSW when the new program starts and this happens! Several months and several thousand dollars in limbo.

My guess will be that the other states will get an influx of applications from people that suddenly change their mind once over there and jump on the nearest plane to Sydney. Everyone loses.
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NSW just announced the following (5:00pm, 14 July):

NSW opened the Skilled – Nominated (subclass 190) program to significant demand on 14 July 2014. The full intake of 1000 applications for the first application quarter was quickly generated and applications for the first intake are now closed.

NSW is currently reviewing the applications received and will make an announcement regarding further opening in due course.

NSW is a highly attractive and competitive destination for skilled migrants. NSW introduced restricted intakes in 2014 in order to ensure the Skilled – Nominated program is balanced across the range of occupational groups of benefit to the NSW economy.

We are reminding prospective applicants that State nomination is one of a range of visa options that prospective migrants can consider and that they may wish to consider other visa options, regions for other options.

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I'm still really suspicious about this, I can't see how 1,000 applications were generated in less than a few hours considering the same allocation would've covered a couple of months last year. There must've been a backlog.

I also cannot see how this new system fits the brief of "ensuring the program is balanced across the range of occupational groups of benefit to the NSW economy". I could come up with several ideas in a few minutes that would be more logical and beneficial! The standard of candidate and their nominated occupation is going to be random. Whoever made this decision needs their head examined.
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Agreed, Adam. If they really wanted to pick & choose the "best", they'd simply operate an invitation system like WA now does.

Still thinking about the question posed earlier: given the total time submissions were open was less than an hour, and server errors were frequent during that period, if a migration agent has say 3 of these to lodge, in what order would he or she attempt to lodge them? And would the agent have a duty to disclose the order in which the applications were attempted to be lodged, etc? (I would think so) An applicant would almost be better off lodging it themselves, so they would devote 100% of their energy and internet connection bandwidth to pounding on the NSW Skilled website as hard and fast as they could to try and break through and lodge. What's next, hackers make a program to robotically slam the NSW website until it breaks through and allows an application? Given the thousands many applicants have already invested by that point, I'd imagine the hackers would have a ready-made market of hundreds if not thousands of customers. Then I suppose NSW will institute some sort of a "no robots" policy and penalise anyone "caught" using automation to try and get a spot. What a farce.

This new system is nothing short of chaotic, especially given NSW's inadequate technology infrastructure to handle the load of applicants as evidenced by server problems. With even more applicants likely for the next "intake", one can only imagine the havoc and chaos we'll see.

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Hi everyone,

I have been trying to apply since 01.00 AM of 14 Monday and I am unable to see the link which address to the online form.

Did anyone see this online form? Sounds strange..

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