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Old 03-10-2011, 09:50 AM
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Tips on Stat Decs?

Hi everyone.. I'm starting to make a list of things i need, and I'm a bit at a loss as to what to ask people to write? For example, do I REALLY need my in laws (the out laws!) to write something saying what they know of our relationship?

What did you do? Ask people to ask when they met us / learned that we were together?! Arghhhh I hate this.


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Old 03-10-2011, 12:51 PM
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Think of yourself as an author about to write a tale about your relationship and one approach authors use is to develop a skeleton [ of key events in this case and for clarity they can be in chronological order ] and then flesh it out re your own statements.

Parents and friends do not need to do the identical but there could be some events you know they will identify with and so they can use those as a basis and put in anything else on what they want to add about your relationship, the good stuff of course and it shouldn't be rocket science.





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Old 03-12-2011, 05:23 AM
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stat dec using the forms on statutory declaration act 1959??

Hi all,

I am abit confused about making this stat dec for offshore partner visa.
On the form 888, it says you must have a witness for both you and your partner's stat dec and it must be from those list of occupations, medical practitioners, nurses etc. But so far i have only seen peopple saying its from their relatives. So which one is it? And it says for a person to witness a stat dec, they must be from one of those listed occupations.

And do we use the standard stat dec forms from the commonwealth australia statutory declarations act 1959 even if we are outside australia?? Or is everyone using just an A4 paper. Thanks!!!


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Old 03-12-2011, 01:25 PM
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Hi all,

I am abit confused about making this stat dec for offshore partner visa.
On the form 888, it says you must have a witness for both you and your partner's stat dec and it must be from those list of occupations, medical practitioners, nurses etc. But so far i have only seen peopple saying its from their relatives. So which one is it? And it says for a person to witness a stat dec, they must be from one of those listed occupations.

And do we use the standard stat dec forms from the commonwealth australia statutory declarations act 1959 even if we are outside australia?? Or is everyone using just an A4 paper. Thanks!!!
A lot of people do seem to get confused on who can make statements for them or are expected to by Immi and then who can witness such statements as in making them a statutory statement under Australian law and accepted as such by Immi.

Have a read from about Page 27 on http://www.immi.gov.au/allforms/booklets/1127.pdf there being an explanation of what the situation is for statements from people abroad and statutory declarations by Australians.





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thanks wanderer, but on the form 888 at the end when the person making the declaration, needs a signature of a qualified person of the supporting witness making the form 888. So lets say if my aunt is a nurse, she should sign the form before another witness right?


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Old 03-13-2011, 07:39 AM
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arghh I've been reading more on this and it appears that the UK office accept stat decs witnessed only by notaries, JPs, solicitors! That's a nightmare!

Not sure how I'm going to explain to the outlaws that they need to sign theirs in front of one of those!

How is everyone else organising this?!?!


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thanks wanderer, but on the form 888 at the end when the person making the declaration, needs a signature of a qualified person of the supporting witness making the form 888. So lets say if my aunt is a nurse, she should sign the form before another witness right?
If your Aunt the Nurse is making a declaration for you, she of course needs to sign it and for it to carry any weight under UK law she will need to sign in front of a witnessing Solicitor, Notary, JP or anyone else if authorised by UK law.

What needs to be made very clear is though that may be a statutory declaration under UK law it is not going to be a statutory declaration under Australian Law.
[ The 888 is only there for convenience just as any other form frpm anywhere on the Net is. ]
For consideration as an Australian Statutory Declaration, it may be possible that the statement could be signed in presence of an Australian official though I am not too sure how that goes for acceptance with the statement being made by one who is not an Australian PR or Citizen and not in Australia though Australia House and any other diplomatic property may be considered technically Australian soil.

So Suzannah
Given that a UK statutory declaration is not going to be considered as anything more than a signed statement by Immi, a lot of people may just have rellies sign a statement and if they want to they could get it witnessed by an authoritive figure they know or who they casn take some personal ID too.
Maybe the local coppers or magistrates court could be worth a try to see if they will oblige or just leave it as a signed statement.
Signed statements and even information in a statutory declaration are after all, only really backgtound info with the evidence of documents and any correspondence that indicates co-residing more telling.





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Old 03-13-2011, 04:27 PM
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Ok, I see your point.. stat decs aren't actually all that important. Maybe I should stop stressing so much about them then..!
We have more than enough (probably too much!) of all the other kinds of evidence, so I guess these are just for a bit of basic info.

I think I'll limit how many I'm including in that case - one from each of us, then maybe one from a friend and one from a family member (but not the outlaws!)

Think that'd be ok?!



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If your Aunt the Nurse is making a declaration for you, she of course needs to sign it and for it to carry any weight under UK law she will need to sign in front of a witnessing Solicitor, Notary, JP or anyone else if authorised by UK law.

What needs to be made very clear is though that may be a statutory declaration under UK law it is not going to be a statutory declaration under Australian Law.
[ The 888 is only there for convenience just as any other form frpm anywhere on the Net is. ]
For consideration as an Australian Statutory Declaration, it may be possible that the statement could be signed in presence of an Australian official though I am not too sure how that goes for acceptance with the statement being made by one who is not an Australian PR or Citizen and not in Australia though Australia House and any other diplomatic property may be considered technically Australian soil.

So Suzannah
Given that a UK statutory declaration is not going to be considered as anything more than a signed statement by Immi, a lot of people may just have rellies sign a statement and if they want to they could get it witnessed by an authoritive figure they know or who they casn take some personal ID too.
Maybe the local coppers or magistrates court could be worth a try to see if they will oblige or just leave it as a signed statement.
Signed statements and even information in a statutory declaration are after all, only really backgtound info with the evidence of documents and any correspondence that indicates co-residing more telling.


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Old 03-14-2011, 01:54 AM
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Lets say that they are not totally unimportant and the way to look at them is that they provide a description of how a relationship developed, a framework if you like and as such you ought to fuss sufficiently to make sure you give a clear picture.
Documents and correspondence evidence is what will give some validity to the description.

Likewise, statements from family and friends should support that a relationship is existing.
The Immi documentation re the Booklet and Checklist indicate the minimum requirements and you need to supply that and not too much more, quality rather than quantity the best approach and quality also means good presentation.

If you think yourself of how much a pain it is putting it all together, it is not too much of an extension to think just how messy it will be for someone going through multitudes of applications that are not presented clearly.





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Just had friends fill out stat decs and wondering if they need to provide any ID, copies of passport, birth cert etc with it, or if their signature (witnessed by nurse for example) is enough?

if they do need to show their passport, is it just a photocopy?

thankyou, very confused.


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