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Partner visa - Relationship Certs after the Application


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Old 04-01-2011, 09:09 PM
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Question Partner visa - Relationship Certs after the Application

Hi,

I have submitted the application for the partner visa in November 2011 without the relationship certification (which was applied on 15 November 2010, and received on 3 March 2011).

At first I had to submit without the certificate as it would take another 28 days before the certificate can be approved, and me and my partner were going overseas for holiday from December 2010 to February 2011. So we did not want to wait until we're back to send in the application.

However, my friend who did their application through an agent and provided the relationship certificate with the application got their visa in 3 WEEKS! Which made me think whether the relationship certs makes a big difference.

Therefore, I am just wondering would they take this as an evidence if I send it in now? As this was applied before we send the partner visa application but its only registered in March 2011 (four months after the submission).

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I'm pretty sure that you can submit extra evidence like the certificate after you lodged the application.In your acknowledgement letter should be a section how to contact them and your file number which I guess you have to state on the additional information you send in.

Do you need the cert to get the 12 months requirement waived?

And congratulations to your friend!3 weeks, that must be a record!Can I ask where your friend submitted his/her application?Did they have any special circumstances why it got granted so quickly?

I don't think the relationship certificate can speed up the process of the application though.Apart from that it can waive the 12 month requirement it just another evidence of your genuine relationship.It shows mutual commitment that the relationship is declared to authorities.


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I'm pretty sure that you can submit extra evidence like the certificate after you lodged the application.In your acknowledgement letter should be a section how to contact them and your file number which I guess you have to state on the additional information you send in.

Do you need the cert to get the 12 months requirement waived?

And congratulations to your friend!3 weeks, that must be a record!Can I ask where your friend submitted his/her application?Did they have any special circumstances why it got granted so quickly?

I don't think the relationship certificate can speed up the process of the application though.Apart from that it can waive the 12 month requirement it just another evidence of your genuine relationship.It shows mutual commitment that the relationship is declared to authorities.
I don't really need the certs to get the requirement waived. We supplied at least an evidence in every single month up to 12-13 months.

If the relationship certs doesn't make a difference then the agent they used must have extremely good connections with the Immigration office then. As I don't think their circumstances are very different from ours.

They are just normal couple recently graduated, have been together for 2 years but have lived together for nearly 1 year. I think I know them quite well as I did their statutory declaration for them.

I don't see how the processing speed can vary so much, it is a bit disappointing. But I was quite nervous when I first submitted, now don't really feel anything anymore.


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Hi there,

I know it seems unfair that they were approved faster, but you should not compare yourselves to other cases as no two are exactly the same.

I think they were granted the visa so quickly because they had a clear, uncomplicated case, and had all the necessary evidence to make a decision. DIAC is looking for "decisions ready applications" i.e. you have covered all the criteria, it is clearly laid out, any uncommon/ difficult issues are highlighted and explained and all documents listed as needed on application have been supplied. COs can only make a decision based on what you give them at the time. They can't read your mind and don't research or investigate you like the CIA or FBI. Of course if the situation changes or you now have more evidence to waive certain requirements you need to let them know ASAP, but you can't expect them to act on it straight away.

I have read that COs work on a certain amount of visas a day, and devote a certain amount of time to each one i.e.each application is given an equal amount of time. Once your visa has been worked on for a certain period, it's placed back in the queue and the next visa in line is looked at. That is why supplying everything at the beginning is so important, otherwise your application will be held up while they wait for lacking documents to be supplied. You have to also factor in that certain COs may work faster than others and have differing work loads. If you are confident that you meet the requirements to get the visa, then all you can do is go through the motions and you will get it sooner or later


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There are a number of things that can impact on visa processing times and obviously as aussiegirl indicates, the clarity and accuracy of an application will help.

Aside from that, there is the actual processing and I've not read anywhere myself of only X ammount of time being allowed per day to an application but it is certain that the number of applications at any particular times of the year will have an impact.
Essentially, in broad terms what will happen is something like:
. applications come in and are registered in system.
. applications get assigned to a team or section if you like.
. depending on staffing arrangements which will likely vary between onshore and offshore, there could be people assisting more senior COs and they may make an itial assessment of completeness and any issues that a CO should look at.
. when applications go on to the CO assessment they are going to one of however many and that could be very many or they may have a separate waiting queue to COs queues.
. so there are various steps in the processing and that will likely mean that an application goes back into the queue awaiting further info to be required, an external security check or whatever and even when that comes in, the application will still be waiting until a CO gets around to looking at all that ahead are of it, that look, action and back in queue being repeated a number of times.

So then you can have staffing issues:
. people are on various leaves, training or even leave for alternate employment.
. Immi may actually second experienced people from some sections to go and work in areas that are a bit of a problem, this having been the people smuggling for asylum seeking area for quite a while now and Í'd not mind betting if someone had thoughts on finding new employment, something like that might be just enough to tip them over the edge.
. All that can mean that you are getting newer/younger less experienced assessing officers coming into the system and they need training and additional supervision.
. That may also work to the advantage of some people as one application may be assigned to a new person who initially does not have a huge workload so they get am application which is substantially complete and through it may go reasonably quick.
On the other hand
An application may go to some existing experienced COs who have a far greater workload.

So if you look at a combined situation of more applications coming in than are likely to be handled in any one year for there are annual budgets, an organisation handling thousands of applications annually and the various staffing issues that may prevail, there are all sorts of compounded configurations that will mean the variation on processing time will be a factor of just how many factors are compounded for any one application.
And that is just for applications that may otherwise be near identical.

An application whether via an agent or not should make no difference and there have been a few doosys of threads where what would seem to be incompetent agents have been reported.

As for putting something in after an application, and especially if it is not needed, that might just cause complications that are not needed and though Immi may seek further information in the processing of an application, that is entirely different to people just submitting additional info, an application supposed to be complete or at least have the minimum info that Immi request.

Even the " Decision Ready " application is a bit of a furphy for Immi actually say for some visas not to do medicals but just register and one reason for that is that the processing times of visas is growing
Why is that so?
. Immi have X ammount of staff and doing Y numbers of applications a year would equate to on average of Z processing time.
Last financial year, the budgetted number was being approached a few months before the end of the financial year and so that meant there was a slowing of processing and a build up of applications running into this financial year.
. The budget was reduced for this financial year and so whilst that may mean X/Y could mean a greater Z, it has also allowed in Australia for some staff to be re-assigned.

Unfortunately, it seems that onshore applications may suffer more than offshore and that could be due to less staffing variations abroad and even special arrangements in place like VFS in India where a degree of " rubber stamping " may be going on.

But one way or another, applicants need to appreciate that there are average processing times and if one flows through extra quick, it is just being extremely lucky.
The numbers of applications and staffing issues is not an environment where you can micro manage with any real success and if you have think yourself about how you would manage the overall scene any differently, you might just appreciate that you could easily spend more time on managing and less effort going into processing.





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