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Old 09-13-2014, 02:13 AM
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It sounds shocking to us that genuineness of the relationship shouldn't be taken into account -- however, you have to think of the perspective of multiple cultures. In many cultures, it's common for marriages to be arranged. People may have barely had the chance to meet before marrying. In other cultures, it's unacceptable for two people to live together before marriage, so that could make it more difficult to prove the genuineness of the relationship. The PMV takes these cultures into account and allows these couples to live together and establish or better document a genuine relationship. Genuineness of a relationship IS a requirement for the 820 they'll have to apply for nine months later, so it's not as though a couple without a genuine relationship could obtain a permanent partner visa.
Well no actually. The PDF was contesting the topic of 'genuineness'. One side contested that it was required, yet lawyers representing the other side contested that it didn't matter and was not a stipulation set by the Australian government. Then it just delved into a matter of language and what is deemed genuine.

I consider myself to be more cross-culturally competent than most so I understand what you're saying, but this just routes back to what I've said previously in this thread in that ultimately we are not privy to what exactly deems a case to be accepted or not (or high/low risk).
There are human decision makers regardless of evidence.


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Yep, since it was so late last night when I saw this I didn't get to read the entire document first (though I'm reading it now). Actually, I'm pretty sure I've seen it before, but it never hurts to re-read. There's nothing in here that's really new or surprising to me. But yes - probably the REASON for even making the argument that it's not required under the law is applicants like I described. Otherwise, the people arguing against the genuine relationship requirement would have no reason to argue it unless they were trying to get fraudulent applicants through the door, which obviously they wouldn't be.

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Old 09-13-2014, 06:10 AM
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Guys,
That doc is a submission to a federal senate committee, so it has things need to be debated and make recommendations upon. I direct you to it because it has information on PMV decision making.
If you guys really want to dig in to this area of legislation/law you can subscribe to LEGENDcom (it’s in immi website – just google it) where you can find most up to date Migration and Citizenship legislation and policy available including Procedures Advice Manual v3 (PAM 3). Alternatively you can borrow PAM 3 for free from National Library of Australia.
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Thanks for the info.
I'm a bit confused about the online service immiAccount though. Should we use this online service or would it be acceptable/easier to do everything offline?

Also, my understanding at the moment is that once all forms and filled and signed on the Australian side, am I to send her everything physically for her to lodge the application at an Australian office in Vietnam?
Or are scanned copies etc acceptable?

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Hi, I don't know if the rules have changed recently or not but at the time I made my PMV visa, we came to IOM and ask them if we could made it online and they said they don't accept to do the online service in Vietnam.

I think you should ask your fiance come to the IOM and said you want to apply for PMV, they will give you all information then it is much easier

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Hi, I don't know if the rules have changed recently or not but at the time I made my PMV visa, we came to IOM and ask them if we could made it online and they said they don't accept to do the online service in Vietnam.

I think you should ask your fiance come to the IOM and said you want to apply for PMV, they will give you all information then it is much easier
Hi Chocoboorin, thanks for the information, when did you ask the officers? Were they Vietnamese or Australia?

My partner and I have gone about halfway through the application so far (haven't paid anything) and there's no indication that online is not applicable to Vietnam. /fingers crossed


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Hi Chocoboorin, thanks for the information, when did you ask the officers? Were they Vietnamese or Australia?

My partner and I have gone about halfway through the application so far (haven't paid anything) and there's no indication that online is not applicable to Vietnam. /fingers crossed
Here is the website of IOM Vietnam International Organization for Migration (IOM) - Contact Us

They are Vietnamese and all of them can communicate in English.

We applied my case last year

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I could be wrong, but the IOM information looks like they are an independent third party who assist in visa applications. I don't see anything that says they act on behalf of Australia Immigration, so I don't see any reason you can't apply online without any involvement of IOM. From their website:

"Starting in May 2014, the IOM Migrant Services team has been providing visa application assistance to potential and actual migrants to Australia. Clients visiting IOM for Australian visa application assistance will receive advice and direction on how to properly fill-out immigrant visa application forms and assemble supporting documentation as per visa application checklists provided by the Department of Immigration and Border Protection (DIBP).

Important: IOM plays no role in the visa decision-making process and does not represent or provide immigration advice or counseling to applicants. IOM does not represent the Government of Australia."

If there's someone who's applied from Vietnam without using IOM, perhaps they could confirm this.

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Yes,
IOM has no influence over the outcome, but they know much information, and are willing to help. When I go there, it was always full of Viet girls getting information.
I was lucky, my fiancÚ was with me when we first went and went to the IOM and the Australia Consulate to try to get answers.
Please ask me any more questions so I can help

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So I've finished the online 47SP form on behalf of my partner on Immaccount but I cannot figure out how to attach documents. Half-way through the application, instructions states that;

"The information provided also needs to be supported by relevant evidence. This evidence may be such things as photographs, receipts, bills, legal documents or anything else to demonstrate the nature of the relationship the applicant has with their sponsor. This evidence can be uploaded after the submission of this application."

Does this mean I have to submit (and pay?) and then attach documents (including 888 forms)? Or the 888 forms part of my (sponsor's) application?


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Yes, you submit and pay, and then you will be taken to a page where you can upload documents. Keep in mind there are a maximum of 30 documents on the applicant's application, and another 30 on the sponsors, and yes these include the 888 forms. Once you're done with the applicant's application (and have uploaded any docs you are uploading right away), use the TRN number you get when you click "submit" and pay to start the sponsor's application. There are instructions I wrote on all this here: http://www.australiaforum.com/565833-post6.html

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