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Old 10-11-2014, 06:13 PM
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Hi everyone ,

This is my first time posting and I'm after some advice from those of you who know about the Prospective Marriage Visa process and what it entails. I apologise in advance if some of what I'm asking about is elsewhere in the this forum, but it was a nightmare searching for all the info specific to my situation so I thought I'd make my own post.

I'm looking into applying for a Prospective Marriage Visa with my girlfriend from Europe. We are both quite young (22 and 19) and probably not the poster image of what a potential married couple is supposed to be, so I'm concerned about how the government is going to see our situation.

I won't get into the details, but we want to get a PMV, well, because we want to be together and it's our only solution (she isn't eligible for working holiday visas and student visa fees are financially unfeasible). However, we have taken into deep consideration what marriage means and are definitely ready to take this step nonetheless - so the situation is more of a less-than-ideal catalyst.

My concern is that factors such as our age and financial situation are going to be red flags for the government (I'm currently working a few spotty casual jobs but applying for full-time to save, but also so it looks good on paper. I have some savings and can afford the visa fees and additional fees for paperwork and expect my savings to be more substantial by the time my account is reviewed. She's supposed to start uni this year but decided not to if we are doing this visa.) I'm currently living with my cousins in a house that my grandparents bought outright, so the only expenses for the property are bills. I'm also very frugal in general. So:

How will this affect the government's view of me as a sponsor, given my age and employment status? What constitutes a valid sponsor?

I was also reading through the PMV documents which mention proof that any separation is temporary. We have been in an online relationship for two years and have met twice - I stayed with her for 1.5 months last year, 1 month this year, then she flew over with me to stay with at mine for another 1.5 months.

Is this a significant amount of time spent together, in the eyes of the government, to constitute marriage?

What can I expect to happen after the PMV paperwork has been submitted?

I'm a bit overwhelmed working through all of this on my own and advice is HUGELY appreciated! Any alternative methods for us to be together without going PMV route would be helpful too. Thank you guys so much in advance!


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Hi :-) my fiance from Australia and I were in a similar situation. It was also our only solution but now we are really happy about getting married - it was going to happen sooner or later anyway haha. He was and is still studying and has no income but lives off savings no centrelink either. We were never even once asked about his financial situation!! Maybe we were lucky but If you have someone that would act as a guarantor in case they ask for finances, someone who has had a full time job for over 2 years (eg mum or dad) you should be fine in that aspect I think! However, my fiance and I have been together for longer and spent more time with each other than you guys so I can't really tell you how strict they are about that. But we were also apart for several months (5-9 months at a time) and then spent a couple of months together so I guess it's similar. If you get enough friends and family to write a stat Dec about your relationship I think it should be fine. What embassy are you applying from?

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How will this affect the government's view of me as a sponsor, given my age and employment status? What constitutes a valid sponsor?

Is this a significant amount of time spent together, in the eyes of the government, to constitute marriage?

What can I expect to happen after the PMV paperwork has been submitted?

I'm a bit overwhelmed working through all of this on my own and advice is HUGELY appreciated! Any alternative methods for us to be together without going PMV route would be helpful too. Thank you guys so much in advance!
Hey blinkingblinds,

Welcome to the Forum

Before you do anything, please do make sure you thoroughly read the Partner Migration booklet available on the DIBP's website.
It'll give you an idea of how to prepare your application as that could be the most confusing, overwhelming (as your already said) and frustrating task of this whole process.

1. As per DIBP's website, an eligible sponsor for an Australian PMV/partner visa is someone who is:-
- an Australian citizen, permanent resident or eligible New Zealand citizen; and
- at least 18 years of age.
https://www.immi.gov.au/Visas/Pages/300.aspx
Given your circumstances- how much time you've spent with your partner and vice versa, I think PMV is the safest and the best choice
It requires a LOT less rigorous paperwork compared to a partner visa application (even after getting married).
Below is the document checklist for a PMV application as per the DIBP website:-
https://www.immi.gov.au/Visas/Pages/checklists/300.aspx

As for employment situation, the sponsor doesn't need to show whether or not he/she has 'enough' funds/savings to be able to support their partner. A stable job and and savings add brownie points but are NOT a deciding factor of the visa application.

2. As I said before, the PMV is the best option for you. To be eligible to apply for it, both the sponsor and the applicant must have met in person and because you guys have visited each other a few times, you can use the travel history to show that you have been in a relationship that was serious and that's why you have visited each other and now wish to get married hence the PMV application.
As long as you can prove that you are in a genuine relationship and have plans for your future together and provide the evidence of the time you've spent together, continuing chats and call history proving continuing relationship during the time apart, you should be fine.

Most applicants after getting married (within the 9 months of the PMV's validity) live together for a few months to collect evidence of cohabitation, open joint bank accounts, collect photos with family and friends for social evidence, have some mail delivered to the common address, etc and then apply for the partner visa along with the proof of marriage i.e. marriage certificate, wedding photos, honeymoon photos, invitations, joint expenses incurred, etc.

3. The PMV holder MUST apply for the onshore partner (820/801) visa before the PMV expires which happens 9 months from the date of its grant.
The transition of the PMV to partner visa doesn't usually take very long, some forum members have been lucky enough to have received their grants within a few days of application of the partner visa.
Below is the document checklist for an onshore partner visa application:-
https://www.immi.gov.au/Visas/Pages/...s/820-801.aspx

Once the partner visa is approved, it comes with full work and study rights so your partner will be able to work full-time if she wishes to

After the PMV application has been submitted, you'll have to wait for I'm not too sure how long the Australian High Commission/Embassy takes to approve the application, where you'll apply. The processing time frames HAVE become scary for all the countries both low and high risk so I'd suggest you take up a hobby or something that'll keep you occupied for a while.

Hope this helps. Please do ask if you have more questions.
Good Luck!

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Hi :-) my fiance from Australia and I were in a similar situation. It was also our only solution but now we are really happy about getting married - it was going to happen sooner or later anyway haha. He was and is still studying and has no income but lives off savings no centrelink either. We were never even once asked about his financial situation!! Maybe we were lucky but If you have someone that would act as a guarantor in case they ask for finances, someone who has had a full time job for over 2 years (eg mum or dad) you should be fine in that aspect I think! However, my fiance and I have been together for longer and spent more time with each other than you guys so I can't really tell you how strict they are about that. But we were also apart for several months (5-9 months at a time) and then spent a couple of months together so I guess it's similar. If you get enough friends and family to write a stat Dec about your relationship I think it should be fine. What embassy are you applying from?
Hi AusAmf! Thanks so much for your reply. I'm so glad to hear that everything went so smoothly for you and your fiancé

One of the possible issues in our case is that she's applying from Romania, which is considered a 'high risk' country. I believe her closest embassy is in Serbia.

Could I ask when was it that you applied for your PMV? I hear that things are getting stricter and stricter these days, but fingers crossed still!


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Hey blinkingblinds,

Welcome to the Forum

Hi Becky,

Wow, I didn't expect to see such a detailed reply to my post so soon - Thank you! You're such a great help!

I had a look through the Partner Migration booklet you mentioned and everything sounded pretty good with the exception of this section:

"To help determine whether or not you can meet these criteria, you must complete form 40SP Sponsorship for a partner to migrate to Australia, which includes providing evidence of your employment and financial status and giving a sponsorship undertaking (see page 16)."

As you said, my financial situation shouldn't matter too much, but this statement makes me feel like I might be under more scrutiny. But yes, I could get a guarantor like you said. I just don't think it would look good on my application if I wanted to be the sponsor and got knocked back.

I've also heard things like holding an engagement party and taking photos / keeping receipts as proof, which we didn't get around to doing. Would you know of any things I could provide besides stat decs that could soothe the government's worries sooner?

I really hope I'm just being overly anxious about the government rejecting our application. I just know it will take such a long time and we'll be crossing our fingers for what will seem like forever, so I want to make sure I know everything to look out for.

Thanks again Becky! I really appreciate it!


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Hi, G'day!
blinkingblinds

"My concern is that factors such as our age"
- You age is fine. In fact, immigration is only concern if there is big age difference between applicant and sponsor. So your fine!


"financial situation are going to be red flags for the government (I'm currently working a few spotty casual jobs"
- PMV doesn't require you to have bunch of money or a fulltime job. However, it would be much better if you can show that you have a "source of income" to support your fiancée when she arrived here, because newly arrived migrants are usually not eligible to get financial support (welfare). She will also have a full work right if she wanted to work.
You have casual job, that's an income right? so no worries!

" Is this a significant amount of time spent together, in the eyes of the government, to constitute marriage."
- PMV requires both person to have met each other physically, not just on internet. So again your fine!


" What can I expect to happen after the PMV paperwork has been submitted?
- You can expect to wait for at least 12 months or so for visa processing (depends on what country your fiancée from). After visa is granted, she will have to enter Australia to activate the visa, then fulfill the condition of PMV which is to "get married" within 9 months. After marriage, before the PMV validity expires she can apply for temporary onshore visa subclass 820/801 combined application. it will only takes few weeks or maybe days to get 820 visa. Wait for another 2 years from the date she applied the 820/801 combined, and she will be eligible to apply Permanent residency subclass 801 only if the relationship is still ongoing and the marriage did not broke down.


" As you said, financial situation shouldn't matter too much, but this statement makes me feel like I might be under more scrutiny. But yes, I could get a guarantor like you said"
- FYI, lots of pensioner successfully managed to sponsored their partner without a problem. You have work, part time or whatever it is an income.

" I've also heard things like holding an engagement party and taking photos / keeping receipts as proof, which we didn't get around to doing."
-Engagement party is not a must. Some even get engaged without a ring. It depends on person's preference. Important is you are engaged planning to live genuinely as a couple and are committed to each other. Photos are those pictures you have taken while both of you are spending time together, photos showing both of you with family or friends etc..

" Would you know of any things I could provide besides stat decs that could soothe the government's worries sooner?"
- You can get a guarantor if you like.
-You can include her name in your superannuation beneficiary if u like.
Immigration doesn't expect much of financial evidence for two people who are still engaged. Your applying for PMV that requires less evidence than de facto or married couple.

" I really hope I'm just being overly anxious about the government rejecting our application."
- I think you are just overly anxious... But you seem to be a smart person. If other's can do it, surely, you can do it too!

Goodluck to ya mate! All the Best!

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Great advice from above - if you do online then UPDATE & UPDATE every month more stuff. (you can fill both your partner and your immi accounts with info/proof after application).


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Hi Becky,

Wow, I didn't expect to see such a detailed reply to my post so soon - Thank you! You're such a great help!

I had a look through the Partner Migration booklet you mentioned and everything sounded pretty good with the exception of this section:

"To help determine whether or not you can meet these criteria, you must complete form 40SP Sponsorship for a partner to migrate to Australia, which includes providing evidence of your employment and financial status and giving a sponsorship undertaking (see page 16)."

As you said, my financial situation shouldn't matter too much, but this statement makes me feel like I might be under more scrutiny. But yes, I could get a guarantor like you said. I just don't think it would look good on my application if I wanted to be the sponsor and got knocked back.

I've also heard things like holding an engagement party and taking photos / keeping receipts as proof, which we didn't get around to doing. Would you know of any things I could provide besides stat decs that could soothe the government's worries sooner?

I really hope I'm just being overly anxious about the government rejecting our application. I just know it will take such a long time and we'll be crossing our fingers for what will seem like forever, so I want to make sure I know everything to look out for.

Thanks again Becky! I really appreciate it!
Hey blinkingblinds,

No worries, happy to help

Form 40SP- starts from page 5-14 (the whole form including the information pages is 14 pages long) So I couldn't locate the page 16 that you mentioned in your above quoted post.
http://www.immi.gov.au/allforms/pdf/40sp.pdf
From what I can remember form 40SP was updated sometime ago removing the part where immigration requests the sponsor to provide his/her employment details/history or where it requests the sponsor to declare the savings in their bank account(s).

As I said before you don't need to worry about it, you can provide the details of the work you're doing right now and your bank statements, but it's not that immigration will reject your visa just because you don't have a full time job or X amount of dollars in savings.

Proof of Engagement:- Not many people have engagement parties and/or have photos. We didn't have a party either, but my husband and I updated our facebook statuses to "Engaged". I just printed screen shots of the facebook page, comments/congratulation posts on my husband and my facebook walls to prove that it was a public declaration since people consider putting things on facebook a big thing and declaring the relationship to the society.

Statutory declarations from your common friends and your families will add weight to the application. The more the merrier
We provided 6 form 888s from Australia and 2 affidavits from India (since form 888s can only be signed by Australian citizens and permanent residents)- 1 joint from my parents and 1 from a friend.

It is completely understandable you freaking out right now, things can get very stressful not just before the application but also during the excruciatingly painful wait of 12+ months if one is away from their partner.

Just take your time, keep reading the threads on the forum for updated and more information and you'll be fine. If you have any questions, feel free to ask us. There are many threads with information on PMV application.
Hope this helps. Good Luck!!

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One of the possible issues in our case is that she's applying from Romania, which is considered a 'high risk' country. I believe her closest embassy is in Serbia.

Could I ask when was it that you applied for your PMV? I hear that things are getting stricter and stricter these days, but fingers crossed still!
I think the main difference is that processing takes longer for high risk countries. Ours took less than 6 months but I'm from a low risk country. We applied in February this year and I got approved in July :-) I am moving over there in two days :-D

Trust me it all sounds scarier than it is in the end! :-) Just provide as much evidence as you can! We put in receipts from flights, hotels, bank transfers to one another, cinema tickets, Facebook messages, whatsapp messages, phone calls, Skype calls, emails, invitations addressed to us as a couple (even Facebook ones), photos of presents, everything that had to do with our relationship we could find!

One thing we also did was register our relationship in Australia. In Queensland that didn't cost much at all and it is an official document. In case of a partner visa it even waives the 1 year defacto relationship requirement, which was the original reason why we did it. So we only did it a few months before deciding to apply for the pmv instead of the partner one (just before we got engaged). I'm not sure how it works in other states tho if you don't live in qld.

Also, at the embassy in vienna they told me that especially common friends and family saying you are in a serious ongoing committed relationship and evidence of your relationship being public (eg registering it or stating at centrelink or somewhere "official" that you are in a defacto relationship etc) and photos of common friends and family and future plans you have etc. Is very important.

But all in all I think it was so much less stressful than the partner visa because with the pmv you technically only need to have met once and have future plans.. you don't necessarily need to share accommodation and finances yet.

I wish you two all the best! As long as you follow all the guidelines on the partner booklet I am sure you will be fine :-) and this forum is amazing if you have any more questions, it helped me a lot :-) good luck!!

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