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Old 10-20-2014, 04:34 AM
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Valentine didn't say partners have no skills. Her statement is accurate - a partner doesn't need to have employable skills or to speak English.

Although theoretically any visa could be obtained fraudulently, I agree that the partner visa is probably easier to get this way. It would be easier to get for room-mates to get friends to say they're in a genuine relationship vs. trying to get employment letters and degrees assessed for a skilled migrant visa).

It was only a month or so ago that a poster admitted they'd not told DIBP about a relationship that broke down before the PR was granted in order to let their former partner get a PR visa. http://www.australiaforum.com/visas-...onsorship.html

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Valentine didn't say partners have no skills. Her statement is accurate - a partner doesn't need to have employable skills or to speak English.
And your point is caller???

They don't require either because they are applying for a Visa that allows them to live with there Australian (Citizen) partner. That Australian chooses his/her partner and i doubt they do it based on employable skills.

Language??? Im lost on what point your trying to make as partner visa law makes mo mention of it.

I thought Valentine posted rubbish, but she can step back, she has been completely out-chavved!! I bet your another that thinks everyone on a partner visa who is not from the UK "is up to something"


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Although it is true that no skills are required to be granted a partner visa, please don't assume that those who have this visa have no skills.

Jeh6050 you are absolutely right and this was never my point as Maggie pointed out. :-) There are plenty of incredibly educated and skilled individuals on this forum who have applied for a partner visa and I have no doubt that the majority of 820/801 holders make valuable and significant contributions while they are in this country....my point was that immigration do not ask for this information during the application process.

GBP put it best with "Is it easier to fake an academic qualification, years of work experience, go through the skills assessment with bogus doc etc?"....the answer is no,it isn't.....

As for the language requirement,I believe a great deal of skilled visas require certain scores on the IELTS assessment and I've seen those exams,I'm British and I don't think I would pass them....so yes,another really difficult thing that partner visas do not ask you to do

LouElla and F&J....I know what you have gone through because I'm in the same basket....I am here on a partner visa,I know how hard it is to go through this process....my initial point which certain people have taken completely out of context is that putting together a bogus partner application is easier than defrauding another visa type....

Oh and the suggestion from SkelinOz that anyone on this forum believes that "if you are not from the UK and on a partner visa you are up to something"....is laughable....maybe when you've been on this forum for more than 5 minutes you will have a better understanding of the assistance given to migrants from all countries/socioeconomic backgrounds. Given the attitude you have shown in your 12 posts on this forum,I'd suggest the only person exhibiting chav like behaviour is you!!

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And your point is caller???

They don't require either because they are applying for a Visa that allows them to live with there Australian (Citizen) partner. That Australian chooses his/her partner and i doubt they do it based on employable skills.

Language??? Im lost on what point your trying to make as partner visa law makes mo mention of it.

I thought Valentine posted rubbish, but she can step back, she has been completely out-chavved!! I bet your another that thinks everyone on a partner visa who is not from the UK "is up to something"
My point is that the partner visa doesn't require the applicant to prove they have a university degree, that they have xx years relevant experience in their occupation, that they have level 7s in all IELTS bands. A lot of people aren't able to apply for a visa simply because their occupation isn't considered in demand in Australia, so they are out of luck. And if they've passed their 45th birthday they may as well simply abandon the idea.

People applying for a partner visa still have to jump through a lot of hoops, but they are often more manageable because it's a matter of digging up receipts, getting people to write statements, and perhaps simply waiting a bit longer until they have acquired enough evidence to apply.

No one is saying a partner visa is easy. But between the partner visa and the skilled migrant visa, it's got a lot more flexibility and if someone wanted to, it would be easier to get fraudulently. And when you hear stories about people cheating the system to get a visa, it's the partner visa path they've gone down.

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Here is a link to an article in today's Courier Mail that will only make the situation worse for genuine applicants.
http://m.couriermail.com.au/questnew...-1227096338006

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Oh and the suggestion from SkelinOz that anyone on this forum believes that "if you are not from the UK and on a partner visa you are up to something"....is laughable....maybe when you've been on this forum for more than 5 minutes you will have a better understanding of the assistance given to migrants from all countries/socioeconomic backgrounds. Given the attitude you have shown in your 12 posts on this forum,I'd suggest the only person exhibiting chav like behaviour is you!!
LOL I was waiting for the "you have only been here 5 minutes" and the low post count routine. Pity i dont bet because it was a racing certainty who was going to say it. Does this forum have a ignore button, if so your No1 on the ignore list.


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Okay, let's take it down a notch, please, with the personal comments. Ironically, I think we're all (largely) on the same page. None of us wants scam relationships to get through, and we all agree that there are some that do (and they should be reported). The Partner Visa application process is NOT easy, for sure - but, even if it is the "easiest" migration stream to provide fake documents for, what is the solution to that? Honestly, I think cracking down on the 801 IS the best solution at this point in time... they certainly shouldn't do away with the Partner migration stream just because it may be "easier" to fake in some ways than others. Australian citizens & PR deserve to be with their (genuine) partners. I think we can all agree on that.
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Dunno how either me or LouElla got dragged into that fracas and CG basically repeated what we both said.

One of the most interesting things that I have seen is the link for the courier mail that assiesteve posted, considering the couple I know who had a very dubious marriage came through a student visa. Every visa is open to scam, 457 visas have been totally torn apart by scams, student visa .. the list goes on. Give me any sort of visa application and enough money, and even me, totally naive me, can find a loophole.

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I can safely say going via the Partner Visa is NOT an easy way into Australia, for me having no skills it was the only option I had to be with my partner HOWEVER we discussed it and I chose Australia over him coming to the UK because of the opportunities here were better for me and he had a better job than I had in the UK. Financially we could save more if I came to Oz. The amount of effort we have put in is exhausting, filling forms in, gathering evidence, Police Checks, Health Exams...it's just continuous. Even if I get my 820 granted I still have to collect evidence for two years for my 801, our whole life revolves around a god damn visa.

It's not been easy, it still isn't with the wait and 'what if' hanging over our heads, our relationship and future is in the hands of people who don't even know us. It's terrifying.

I do agree it can be cheaper than most other visas but again that depends on your situation, it's stripped us of all our savings and we are now starting from scratch again. The worst part is if I am declined, we don't even get any of the money we have spent back. We are a two person family, yet only one of us can work, we have bills to pay, essentials to buy, food to eat, it's by no means been 'cheap' for us.

There is no 'easy' visa in my opinion and I'm glad they're cracking down on scam applications. It's heartbreakingly stressful for us genuine folks and the last thing we need is people who are happy to scam the system and make it even harder on us.
Couldn't agree with you more. If waiting for a visa for over 16 months after our relationship of over 3 years is easy, then we need to look up the definition of easy. Those were the most painful days of my life.

My husband couldn't live in India, different culture and language. It would have taken him a lifetime to learn my mother tongue...lol and still not be able to learn it perfectly and make the kind of money he makes in Australia. My husband suggested that he was more than happy for me to go for the partner visa option as we did (and still do) have planned out our future and that we were going to get married without a doubt.

Getting a visa to Australia is VERY difficult. As for people who take advantage of the department's policy, there's always going to be people who will do those horrible things in the future no matter how strict the policies are made, such people always somehow will be able to find a way around the policies. But such cases cause issues for the genuine couples like many of yo stated. I just wish there was something that could fasten this process so families don't have to be apart from each other for like over 2 years or some even longer.

Making the rules strict on 801/100 visa re-assessment is their best option. I hope this stops the fake applications and paves a way for the genuine people who are living like fish out of water without their partner. I feel for you, I was in your shoes not too long ago.
Good Luck to all waiting!

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Seriously, nobody is saying or hinting that a partner visa application is easy.
Instead, the point is, partner visa is one of the relatively easier visa to get by cheating, scamming or whatever you called it, compared to a work visa. I'm not saying there is no cheating or scam in work visa though. But it is easier to do that with a partner visa. All they have to do is to live with someone for 2-3 years and then they can get a PR. Do not underestimate how far some people willing to go, in order to get a PR.

And I think it is ridiculous if the DIBP is not doing anything about it.


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