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Old 10-16-2014, 11:14 PM
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Visa 801 - BAD NEWS

Hi everyone. I have some bad news from my lawyer for who is waiting visa 801.

Due to increasing fraud marriage cases which found out, last financial year has more than 4500 case was failed. This is quadruple time over last three years ( since july 2010- jan 2014, 1053 case was failed). Link

***sbs com au/news/article/2014/01/29/marriage-scams-uncovered-amid-crackdown-partner-visa-fraud

***sbs com au news/article/2014/09/01/surge-fake-marriage-visa-fraud

801 processing is real barrier, it's not 820 anymore. Nowadays, they tend to call interview you more than suprise visit, especially who comes from high risk country and 90% get call.

My brothers and sisters. I see many happiness when people get TR granted and I dont want bother you with my info. But I wanna let you know that we are still in processing time. Dont be nonchalant or you will get struggle time. Love all and best wishes for you guys


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Old 10-17-2014, 01:20 PM
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Hmmm that is what I suspected.

Have seen a few people from 820 to 801 face a few problems with their 801.

Thanks for letting everyone know


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Thank you for sharing such an important information with us. It is scary being visited by immigration officers or the friends getting questioned on the genuinity of the applicant and the sponsor.

Good Luck to you too!

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It's bad news to people whose relationship isn't genuine or has broken down since they got their 820 but hope to get their 801 anyway. This is how it should be, to prevent visa fraud.

For people in a genuine relationship, it shouldn't be an issue, just a requirement to provide the necessary proof of their relationship.
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Old 10-17-2014, 09:48 PM
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This was inevitable given how partner visas is the quickest way for people to obtain PR - am surer this is the most frequently defrauded classification of visa....personally I have no issue with Immigration cracking down on the bogus applications....actually happy to hear that the number of 801 rejections are ok the rise!!! Weed out the people who get PR then split up.....sick of seeing people cheat the system making it that much more difficult for people who are in genuine relationships....

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I honestly think it is great news. I have always been a fan of them doing something to crack down on it as we see people split up months after getting PR. I still think 801 should be later but this is a start.

It is just sad for those that we have seen that are in a genuine relationship that get rejected.

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I don't see the problem. If your in a genuine and ongoing relationship and can provide proof then it isn't an issue. The VISA does clearly state if your not because the relationship has broken down you HAVE to inform immigration.

Delaying the issue of a 801 visa will achieve nothing. Genuine cases are made to wait long enough as it is for applications to be processed and decisions made. Delaying the issue even further will only create more stress and heartache for those applicants including Australian Citizens. I dont have any issue with immigration "checking" that my relationship is genuine and ongoing at any stage, and would not be worried if they turn up announced at any time but to applaud a "Crack down" because people split up is ridiculous. Where is the actual evidence these are the most easily de-frauded visas?? Because SBS says so, I would check anything a journalist told me, then i would check it again.

Edited to add Lawyers come into the same bracket as Journalists.


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Where is the actual evidence these are the most easily de-frauded visas?? .
This is based purely on my own experience and 6 years of going through various visa streams before meeting my husband

1) I have been asked by at least 6 people trying to cheat the system what Immigration want for a Partner visa application that "looks good",I have overheard people in my workplace discussing "how much longer they have to hold out before their PR gets granted"...I have never been asked how to lodge a dodgy tourist or student visa.....I also know 5+ permanent residents who's relationship broke down after the 820 grant but their ex played along so they could get the 801 before officially breaking up....

2) for partner visas you require NO skills...you don't even need to speak the language.....it is the only stream to Permanent residency that requires you to offer absolutely nothing to Australia.....

3) it's quick!!! I have been in Australia for 6 years and am still on TR.....If I had moved here.....found someone to play along,got the 12 months "evidence"....waited out the 2 years...lodged 801....broken up.....I could have been a permanent resident YEARS ago.....

4) It's cheap....yes you read that right.....I studied in Australia for 3 years at a total cost of $25000+ in student fees alone!! never mind VAC/medicals/insurance etc.......the $5000 for the partner visa felt like I was getting a deal....

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I don't see the problem. If your in a genuine and ongoing relationship and can provide proof then it isn't an issue.
Unfortunately not true. We have people on this forum that have been rejected even though they are in a genuine relationship but DIBP determine that they are not genuine. We have seen people provide lots of proof and still rejected. Unfortunately it comes down to DIBP and they are all human and do make mistakes.


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This is based purely on my own experience and 6 years of going through various visa streams before meeting my husband

1) I have been asked by at least 6 people trying to cheat the system what Immigration want for a Partner visa application that "looks good",I have overheard people in my workplace discussing "how much longer they have to hold out before their PR gets granted"...I have never been asked how to lodge a dodgy tourist or student visa.....I also know 5+ permanent residents who's relationship broke down after the 820 grant but their ex played along so they could get the 801 before officially breaking up....

2) for partner visas you require NO skills...you don't even need to speak the language.....it is the only stream to Permanent residency that requires you to offer absolutely nothing to Australia.....

3) it's quick!!! I have been in Australia for 6 years and am still on TR.....If I had moved here.....found someone to play along,got the 12 months "evidence"....waited out the 2 years...lodged 801....broken up.....I could have been a permanent resident YEARS ago.....

4) It's cheap....yes you read that right.....I studied in Australia for 3 years at a total cost of $25000+ in student fees alone!! never mind VAC/medicals/insurance etc.......the $5000 for the partner visa felt like I was getting a deal....
None of that actually answers the question I asked, however

1. I see nothing wrong with people asking what the Immigration Office want to see on a form and what "looks good" That's exactly whats happening on this forum!!!

2. You know 5 people that abused the system?? Did you report them? If that is the pinnacle of fraud in the immigration system then i am sure the Govt would be grateful for that statistic. I agree there are probably many that do try and "play" the system, but i bet folk in on so called "student" visas or "working" visas are up to the same antics.

3. Its a partner visa, why do you want skills associated with it? I can assure you there are many "Partners" who far from "offering nothing" to Australia offer plenty. Just because there a "partner" who wants to emigrate to be with there other half does not make them sub-educated or trying to sneak in. Or do you want Australia to tell its born and bred citizens, you can have a relationship with whoever you like but if you want to bring them home make sure they have something to "offer"

4. Playing the language card does your case no favour in my eyes. The language question needs to be posed about ALL types of visa.

The vast majority of Australians I have met have no issue whatsoever with people, especially those from low risks countries, being granted Visas to be with there Australian partners. In fact many have voiced there concerns to me about the process of partners being granted Visas, they can't believe how long the process takes or the cost involved to there own fellow Australians. The vast majority I have met are more concerned with people entering on other types of Visa's such as students and working Visas, those are the ones they see as "stealing jobs" Even if someone has something to "offer" they dont see it as a automatic right of entry, in fact, far from it.


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