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Old 10-31-2014, 11:32 PM
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Having been through partner visas and also seeing people getting rejected because they were determined not to be in a genuine relationship even when they were I am a firm believer of doing things by the books and the law.

Now the 801's are taking longer to process and people getting put through the ringer and that is because of those that take advantage of the system and are getting a partner visa when they are not eligible for it.

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If his PR is not guaranteed, then my points stand. Again, why would he harm his prospects of PR with only a few months to go, if that was all he was in it for?

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Probably because he thinks no one would dob him in?

If I suspect a fraud Id report it to the authorities. He can prove it to the immigration if hes legit.

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To be honest I don't support fraud because my hubby is still waiting for his visa and it breaks my heart to be away from him. But for real what's in it for you if you report them to DIBP? Have you known the sponsor or applicant for a long time ? Or you are just pop nosing? Why report them now? Why didn't you do it when the applicant first arrive into the country ? To be honest I want to understand why. Couples have problems but don't get involved until you know what's going on behind closed doors. Unless you live with them and even that you still don't know what they say to each other in their bedroom.
Couldn't agree more! I don't support fraud myself. My husband and I had to wait for our visa for over 16 months, out of that we were apart for almost 12 months, so I know what feelings I have for the people who take advantage of the system and screw things up for the genuine couples.

We can't know what goes on behind closed doors as EDT said and shouldn't jump to any conclusion just by seeing that. It could mean that the visa holder might never see their child again if the PR isn't approved. Then who would be blamed for ruining someone's life and breaking a family apart. I know I wouldn't be able to live with that guilt.
If I was in the OP's shoes, I'd be very careful and gather as much information as possible as many of the people say. And talk to the sponsor about it.


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I think everyone should realise that it in Australia it is not only your moral but your legal obligation to report ANY suspected crime, in this case possible fraud.
To paraphrase the old adage ,all that is necessary for wrong to succeed is for good people to say nothing.
As other posters have said the DIBP won't kick him out on your say so but will examine the case in depth.
Exactly!!! It is not upto the friends and/or neighbours to report the couple to DIBP but the sponsor or the visa holder themself. They might be trying to work on their relationship, who knows!

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Exactly!!! It is not upto the friends and/or neighbours to report the couple to DIBP but the sponsor or the visa holder themself. They might be trying to work on their relationship, who knows!
Isn't this how all the fake marriages got away with it then?

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Isn't this how all the fake marriages got away with it then?

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Yes it is. We have also seen on this forum where people have said "We broke up just before I was eligible for PR but my partner was happy for me to get PR".


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Isn't this how all the fake marriages got away with it then?

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I also mentioned that the OP must get the facts right and gather as much information as they can before they do anything, discuss this with the sponsor.

I know its a very difficult situation but there isn't a lot you or I could do to stop the fraud from happening in the first place, it's just sad and I hope the immigration sets up a process that'll make them distinguish between the genuine and fraud applicants.

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Exactly!!! It is not upto the friends and/or neighbours to report the couple to DIBP but the sponsor or the visa holder themself. They might be trying to work on their relationship, who knows!
On the contrary, it is the duty of anyone who is aware of a possible fraud to report it, if someone sets out to circumvent the law they are hardly likely to report themselves.

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So everyone is saying that it's just suspicion and feelings and why now - yes, I have had my suspicions and naturally related feelings for a long time but as someone else said that's no reason to dob someone in. I have now seen for certain and have evidence I could send. I have not acted prior to this because yes, before it was suspicion which could not be proved but now it is a fact I can back up. The relationship hs ended, she calls herself a single mother that doesn't seem like they're working things out.

Well if you have everything you need to hand them over to DIBP on a silver platter then go for it.

But always remember all new marriages have problems especially for couples who did not live together prior to their big day.

Example : my next door neighbour'wife came on a spouse visa , one faithful evening as I was watching television I heard them having a big argument and in the process he slapped her. I felt so tempted to contact the police but again I said to myself I don't really know what's going on behind closed doors. So I let it go. And guess what ? The following day I saw them walking down street holding hands and kissing each other . Now imagined if I had contacted the police ? I would have looked like a fool because I don't know what's going on in their relationship

And remember one thing us women we complain too much . one silly little argument with our husband that's it we ring our best friend or go across to our next door neighbour to say everything. Without realising that we are ruining our private life. My mum always says: your marriage is like a dirty underway so learn to hide it until its clean

So if your facts are beyon suspecious take the chance to report them and come back with a follow up as I'm sure everyone here will love to know.

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On the contrary, it is the duty of anyone who is aware of a possible fraud to report it, if someone sets out to circumvent the law they are hardly likely to report themselves.
Thanks for the correction, sorry for the wrong information.

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I would definately report it. I know of two nigerians who got women pregnant ASAP (one not even his wife!) and they both left the relationship before they got p,r. One went to mrt (the cheating one) and cUse of the kid with the second woman ( who he quickly married after my friend divorced him) he was successful in his mrt hearing. After the hearing he left the second wife. The other case is going to mrt now and after having nothing whatsoever to do with his kid for 2 years he is suddenly rushing a custody hearing to use this solely for his mrt hearing. These cases make me sick to the stomach. I just heard a third nigerian whose older wife can't have a kid is already boasting to his friends he's only waiting on his pr so he can divorce her. I havnt heard of any other nationalities doing this so consistently (it's common tactic and the guys pass this info around) . I know of at least 3 other nigerians who have done this and it makes my blood boil. Those assholes are just scammers and this is outright marriage fraud. So I would have no hesitation ribbing them in.

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