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Old 11-22-2014, 10:37 AM
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That is a pitty. Being a current Hilton employee may not be enough to convince DIBP though. At the end of the day it is DIBP that will determine if they will grant the 457 and if it is a job that an Australian can't do. I believe that Hilton will have to demonstrate that they have tried to find an Australian (though I could be wrong).

Yeah it is based on the ABN. I have seen people where the company changes owners and they have a new ABN so they have to redo the 457 visa.

From what I know about Hilton and other hotels is that they are franchisees and use the Hilton name which Hilton can revoke at anytime if they wished. Therefore they all have their own ABN as they do their own taxes etc.

Has your partner spoken to the Hilton he has looked at? I am not sure about Hilton but most jobs will ask if you have a current Australian visa when you apply.


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I guess the best option then is for him to find a way to get that extra 5 points!! He'll have to brush up on his English!


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Hi Mish,

Is it really so hard to get a 457 visa? I know the Hilton does sponsor their international employees but the visa application has to be done by the employee themselves.
No it isn't very hard at all, especially if the employer is already an approved sponsor. There is a thing called Labour Market Testing, but it is not so difficult to deal with and there are several exemptions. The sponsorship is linked to the ABN of the entity sponsoring you.

Obviously you will be better off with a sc. 186, but they do take a lot longer to process.

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Can I ask what an ABN is? Also, is a skills assessment needed for the 186?


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ABN=Australian Business Number. It is a unique number to identify individual businesses.

For sc. 186 (Direct Entry stream) a skills assessment is required.

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Thanks for that clarification.

Does the 186 require labour market testing also? I've done a lot of research, but as you said, there are exemptions galore!

Can I ask a different question? When you lodge an EOI for the 189 visa, how is the selection made? Is it first come first served? Is it based on the most points or experience? If you're not selected before the list is revised in July, do you have to resubmit?


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It may pay to ask the Hilton Hotel who would be employing him and the ABN number. Being a large group it is very possible they have a central employment section (separate company). Many large companies do this so they have better bargaining power and flexibility. Examples are sating up award pay and conditions, workers compensation premium and transfers to other locations. If staff want transfer then there is no payout required saving lots of $ and little training required for new location.


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He's waiting for a reply from them. But I think he has to take care of the immigration stuff himself, they just supply the paperwork.

Thanks everyone who has given advice. Once he gets an answer from Hilton then I guess he'll decide which visa to go for. I'm sure I'll be back for more advice then


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Kadmus: I don't know anything about 186. I know the basics about 189. From what I seen with 189's people with higher points get their EOI a little earlier but it does seem to be processed in order which is nice.

Sorry I am not sure of 1 July though hopefully CCMS will answer that for you.

Also just a thought has your partner approached the specific Hilton hotel yet? Also how do you know they currently sponsor people?

AMPK: Your idea is good but unfortunately as CCMS has said they are linked to the ABN. The only way it would be the same would be if someone owned 2 Hilton's for example. Usually they will be abc pty ltd trading as Hilton Sydney.

Even if you can transfer between hotels etc the pay is done under the ABN of the company the currently employees you (I know someone that use to work for Accor hotels). I am unsure if their long service leave transferred though. I know when you work for state government and you get a job in federal you can transfer you sick leave and long service leave but unfortunately does not work federal to state.


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He's waiting for a reply from them. But I think he has to take care of the immigration stuff himself, they just supply the paperwork.

Thanks everyone who has given advice. Once he gets an answer from Hilton then I guess he'll decide which visa to go for. I'm sure I'll be back for more advice then
Yep it all depends on what they say especially with the job market in Australia being tough at the moment.

Will he approach each individual Hilton in Australia?


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