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Who is the sponsor?


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Old 11-20-2014, 10:14 PM
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Who is the sponsor?

Hi all,

My partner is trying to get a sponsorship through his employer (Hilton Hotels), and it is probably going to be the 457 visa. I am unclear who the Australian immigration system would consider his sponsor to be. Hilton Australia? Or the specific Hilton hotel that offers the job?
And if it's the Hilton chain, could he work in a different hotel after visa issuance but with the same job (Chef)?

Many thanks!


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Old 11-20-2014, 10:52 PM
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Hello,

The sponsor would be the company that operates the hotel he is working in. If this is Hilton Australia, then he could move between hotels operated by this company as long as he remains in the nominated occupation, and the Department of Immigration is advised of a change of work location.

All the best.

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I believe they are run as franchisee's so it would be the franchisee that is the company because essentially they are just using the Hilton name. The name would be what is on the employment contract ie. Hilton Sydney Central.

I believe that 457's are hard to do.

Maybe he would qualify for a 189 or 190? Or what about a partner visa?


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Old 11-21-2014, 10:46 AM
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Thanks both,

I guess it really isn't clear cut.

He would qualify for the 189 because he has 3 years experience, but it all depends on what the sponsor is willing to do. From my understanding, the 457 is easier to do and that is why most employers choose that route first. Does the employer have to do much more paperwork for the 189 than the 487?

Another problem is holding a job open if the processing takes a long time


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I thought about it and remembered that the 457's are linked the sponsors ABN. All Hilton hotels operate under a different ABN so if he changes to a different Hilton he will be required to get a new 457 sponsorship because the old one would be invalid (if that happens).

The 189's do not require sponsorship with them you can work with whoever you wish.

With the 457's if you change empoyers or your employer changes ABN's you need to apply for a new 457.

The 457's also have a lot of criteria to be successful too the main one being that the job can't be filled by an Australian.

The first question would be does the Hilton currently employ others under a 457? If so your chances and better than if they currently don't.

From what I have heard alot of employers don't like the 457's they prefer people who already have a visa. But maybe Hilton already does it for others which would be a bonus.


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Old 11-21-2014, 11:09 PM
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Hi Mish,

Thanks for the update.

I guess we're hoping that they will sponsor for the 186. He is 5 points short for the independent skilled migration so he is reliant on the employer's good will.

Is it really so hard to get a 457 visa? I know the Hilton does sponsor their international employees but the visa application has to be done by the employee themselves.


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Old 11-22-2014, 12:21 AM
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I don't know alot about the 457 just that on seek alot of jobs say "no sponsorship available".

I would assume it needs to be demonstrated that Hilton cannot find a suitable candidate from Australia.

Just be aware it is only a temporary visa so he won't receive Medicare or Centrelink benefits.

Alot don't like the 457 because they are reliant on the employer. Therefore you have to stay at the job if having problems or find someone else to sponsor on a 457.


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Then I guess all I can do is hope that Chef's remain on the skills shortage list for another year or 2 to allow him to increase his points


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Have been using app so didn see what country you are. Just saw you are from the UK so you would get Medicare because Australia and UK have an agreement.

Have you spoken to an agent? Maybe they have an idea of how to get the extra 5 points.

If 457 is your only option and he doesn't mind having to stay with the employer etc go for it but alot of people find it restricting.


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Hi Mish,

He did get an assessment through a MARA agent and he falls 5 points short for independent skilled migration. His English is not top level. He also said that as a current Hilton employee he could be said to be a preferred candidate (less training required) which would be a good reason to choose him over an Australian citizen.

He does want to advance within the Hilton chain, so he doesn't mind staying with them for the 2 years. I guess the only bad thing is, would they sponsor him for permanent residency after 2 years? It seems the 457 is the best option in his case as it requires less hoops to jump through initially and gets him there. It's a pity that Hilton is not considered the sponsor, just the individual hotel.

Let's hope that the skill shortage isn't just a 1 year thing


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