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Old 07-19-2011, 08:33 AM
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Do we have enough proof for 820 onshore visa?

Hey guys, i'll try to make it as short as possible:

Been talking to girl for around two years online (met on a forum), we talked quite often and when I went to australia on a working holiday visa we decided to meet. Met her late november 2010 and have been seeing her since then.

Been to Bali three times, feb, april and june, which unfortunately is our biggest or maybe even only real proof that we're together at all. We don't live together at the moment but are planning to get an apartment/unit within a couple months. Problem there is that my visa expires in around three weeks, so at the time we apply, we won't live together. We don't have any joint accounts, utility bills etc.

We do have lots and lots of msn-conversations, text messages, hotel bookings etc, but i'm not sure if that's enough. We see each other as often as we can which is usually 4-5 times a week, but again, we don't have any proof of that.

We're planning on getting married next week (registry office for now and then something more real later on) and applying a couple days before my visa expires.

anyway, here's what we will have, do you think it's enough?

Paper showing that we're married
Msn conversation log since before we met, lots of it, and lots of text messages.
Bali tickets/hotels
Police checks from sweden and australia
medical will have to be provided a bit later but shouldn't take too long
passports/birth certificates
stat dec from me and her about the history of our relationship
could get a couple friends/her family to write a stat dec confirming we are legitimate
letter from her job stating salary etc
few gifts

If you don't think this is enough proof, do you think it would be easier with the offshore one seeing as we obviously can't live together if we're doing an offshore application?

If it seems likely that the onshore one wouldn't get approved i'd rather do the offshore one than nothing obviously, I just really wouldn't want to be away from her for 3-9 months or however long it would take, would drive me insane. Seeing as the time difference is 6-7 hours it would be difficult to talk to each other at all, i'd be working when she's not, she'd be sleeping when I got back from work etc.

Has anyone else been in a similar situation, where you didn't live together at the time you lodged it and still got it approved?


I'm from sweden btw, if that makes a difference.

Thanks a lot in advance


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Old 07-19-2011, 09:03 AM
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Hi and welcome.

We have heaps of people applying for the partner visas here (inclusing myself, I'm the sponsor).

Whether you apply onshore or offshore you still need the same ammount of evidence.

If you apply onshore, you will be granted a bridging visa which comes into place as soon as your current visa expires - this bridging visa will allow you to stay in Australia while a decision is made on the partner visa.

Your evidence has to cover the 4 areas stated in the partner migration booklet, pages 40 and 41:
http://www.immi.gov.au/allforms/booklets/1127.pdf

I did exactly what you are planning to do: my partner came on a working holiday visa, we got married and put in the visa application 4 days after the wedding.

You're on the right track at the moment, but I don't think you have quite enough evidence, look at what I provided for my partner's visa:
http://www.australiaforum.com/visas-...-included.html

And this is what Furryball put into her visa:
http://www.australiaforum.com/visas-...tner-visa.html

I'm sure you have more evidence, you just need to find it and gather it.

Even though you are not living together now, you did live together in Bali I assume. If you were applying for the de facto partner visa you really would have had to be living together for the 12 months prior to applying, but if you are married there is not specific requirement to be living together.

So there are many couples who don't live together before or after marriage, I don't think that will affect your application at all as long as your married. Just another hint: you can put in your application without your marriage certificate as long as you actually are married, then once you get the certificate from BDM you send it to immigration.

Also, about getting married, you have to put in a Notice of Intended Marriage at least one month and one day before the ceremony. So please don't leave it to the last minute because you won't be able to have a legal wedding. EDIT: I see you're getting married next week so I guess you've already gone through the procedure, no worries.

Find your bank statements (yours and hers), find things that you bought for each other when you went out. Find movie tickets, receipts, ect....


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Hey guys, i'll try to make it as short as possible:

Been talking to girl for around two years online (met on a forum), we talked quite often and when I went to australia on a working holiday visa we decided to meet. Met her late november 2010 and have been seeing her since then.

Been to Bali three times, feb, april and june, which unfortunately is our biggest or maybe even only real proof that we're together at all. We don't live together at the moment but are planning to get an apartment/unit within a couple months. Problem there is that my visa expires in around three weeks, so at the time we apply, we won't live together. We don't have any joint accounts, utility bills etc.

We do have lots and lots of msn-conversations, text messages, hotel bookings etc, but i'm not sure if that's enough. We see each other as often as we can which is usually 4-5 times a week, but again, we don't have any proof of that.

We're planning on getting married next week (registry office for now and then something more real later on) and applying a couple days before my visa expires.

anyway, here's what we will have, do you think it's enough?

Paper showing that we're married
Msn conversation log since before we met, lots of it, and lots of text messages.
Bali tickets/hotels
Police checks from sweden and australia
medical will have to be provided a bit later but shouldn't take too long
passports/birth certificates
stat dec from me and her about the history of our relationship
could get a couple friends/her family to write a stat dec confirming we are legitimate
letter from her job stating salary etc
few gifts

Thanks a lot in advance


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Old 07-19-2011, 09:23 AM
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Thanks Sarah, yeah we've been living together in bali for ~5-6 weeks in total and i've been staying with her a couple times as well, but we don't permanentely live together at the moment. I could print out a couple bank statements from dinners etc, not sure if that actually works as proof though?

reading your post I realized that I also have a TFN and I could provide pay slips from my current job, show that I paid for a working holiday visa etc. Also have bank deposits from bali from my debit card, but I tend to pay mostly in cash unfortunately.

I do have a couple letters/stuff to me sent to her place cause it was more convenient, but seeing as I don't permanently live there i'm guessing I shouldn't say that I do in case they decide to look it up.

Anyway, what worries me is that we don't live together and we have no joint accounts at all, but i guess we'll have to think some more if we have any other sort of evidence that could work.

Thanks again Sarah, and if anyone else has some ideas/tips or stories of their own, feel free to share


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Old 07-19-2011, 09:44 AM
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Tell the story as it is, that you are not living together. In your statements you get to talk about your future plans - this gives you the opportunity to explain how you will merge your lives together (living together, joint bank accounts...).

Definately include the letters that you received at her house, say that you don't live there permanently, but also mention that you do have a connection to her and where she lives.

For Bali, include the hotel receipts, and note who paid for all the expenses - this is your joint financial commitment. Many people without joint bank accounts are successful. The point of the evidence is to show that you have a commitment to one another.

Do not worry at all about not living together, this would only be a problem for the de facto visa, when you're married this changes things.

The best thing you can do is to read all the relevant sections of the partner migration booklet, read all the forms and fill them out, and don't forget anything

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Thanks Sarah, yeah we've been living together in bali for ~5-6 weeks in total and i've been staying with her a couple times as well, but we don't permanentely live together at the moment. I could print out a couple bank statements from dinners etc, not sure if that actually works as proof though?
I do have a couple letters/stuff to me sent to her place cause it was more convenient, but seeing as I don't permanently live there i'm guessing I shouldn't say that I do in case they decide to look it up.
Anyway, what worries me is that we don't live together and we have no joint accounts at all, but i guess we'll have to think some more if we have any other sort of evidence that could work.
Thanks again Sarah, and if anyone else has some ideas/tips or stories of their own, feel free to share


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Same situation

Hiyah,
me and my soon to be husband are in pretty much the same situation, and I just wonder how your application went?
I'm Swedish too, been with my fiancee for 6 months, getting married in two weeks, but can't live together as no one will let me get on a lease for us (as my visa is up in a month) and my fiancee is suffering from chronic pain from a botched operation two years ago so can't work, hence no one lets himn get on a lease.
We spend nearly every day and night together and have stat decs from our housemates to confirm it.
We haven't travelled or done much that involves both of us being elsewhere than wherew we live (ie hotel bookings, trips away etc) because he sometimes need to go to hospital with short notice, so don't have many recipts of things we've done together.
We're getting a joint bank account and have pictures of us together, skype conversations, heaps of text msgs, concert tickets etc.

Will this be enough?


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Old 10-27-2013, 08:24 AM
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You're not really mentioning much financial evidence at all. Do you have copies of bills sent to the same address that each of you paid? Bank statements that would show you both contribute to paying rent, bills, groceries, etc.?

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Hi,
No we're both living in shared houses, non of us on a lease or on any bills as the owner of his flat and the owners of my house are paying everything. We both pay for groceries but since we don't have a join bank account they come out of our respective accounts. We've nominated each other on our car insurances and he's nominated me on his super. I don't get super as i fall under the treshold. We've got phone records and other evidence of continous communication.
Since we're not living together (not because we don't want to but all real estate agents have said no) how are we expected to be on bills together?
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No we're both living in shared houses, non of us on a lease or on any bills as the owner of his flat and the owners of my house are paying everything. We both pay for groceries but since we don't have a join bank account they come out of our respective accounts. We've nominated each other on our car insurances and he's nominated me on his super. I don't get super as i fall under the treshold. We've got phone records and other evidence of continous communication.
Since we're not living together (not because we don't want to but all real estate agents have said no) how are we expected to be on bills together?
Thanks heaps for all replies!
Go open up a joint bank account and start using it for daily expenses. Pay all your bills using that account, shopping using that debit card, pay/get your tax using that account etc.

-Edited- need extra strong coffee.


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Surely you're going to live together once you're married? You're not going to continue to maintain separate households, are you? If you're going to live together once you're married, I'd live together for a few months and collect the financial/joint household evidence I've talked about before you apply. You have to show you've combined your finances and households... it's not an optional thing. Obviously you don't want to risk losing all that application money.

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My visa is up one week after we get married so don't have time to move in together. My point is that normally the sponsor is the one working and getting on a lease and then the applicant can join on it, but because my fiancee is on disability he can't get on a lease and neither can i because my visa is up so no landlord will risk giving me a lease if i may have to leave in a month. So seeing as it's impossible for us to get on a lease, can we get rejected purely bacause of that? Wouldn't that be discrimination? We want to live together but obvioulsy cant until i get a bridging visa after handing in my application and am able to get a lease for us.
I do know that if applying for a de facto visa you have to live together as proof of your commitment to each other i guess, but getting married in itself is a pretty big commitment and it doesn't say and it doesnt say anywhere that i've found that it a requirement. I understand that its a bit backwards to do it this way, first get married and then move in, but we really don't have any other option at the moment.
We wouldn't mind living in Sweden, and the visa would be heaps easier to get there and cost a tenth, but as my fiancee is getting treatment every week, goes to physio, pain clinic etc he can't leave and Sweden probably wouldn't allow him in based on how much he would cost in medical bills and treatments if they were to grant him residency.
I am just really worried that the visa will be declined for lack of evidence, and that we will be forced to live in separate countries...


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